Saturday, November 10, 2012

When will Conservatives learn from their mistakes?

Great piece, found it on facebook....

CRY BABIES & SORE LOSERS (does not apply to all Conservatives & Republicans - but far too many)
- To Tea Party Patriots and hardcore Religious Engineers:
- Republicans lost because their party leadership and most candidates feared you, listened to you, and looked the other way on important issues as you picked the dumbest, craziest nominees in key primaries (Murdock and Akin), or converted otherwise

 sensible, experienced candidates to Crazy Town (Romney).
- There’s nothing wrong with wanting limited government. I do. There’s nothing wrong with believing in God, the Golden Rule, or wanting to reduce abortions. I do, too. But you’ve taken it too damn far and scare the shit out of people you could otherwise persuade.
- Yes, the message and messenger matter (you’re failing at both, BTW), but no Madison Avenue P.R. firm, K Street lobbying firm, Fox News “analyst”, or local chapter of “Freedom Works” can sell the flaming dung you’re slinging.
- Smart people can lose. But smart people always learn.
- You didn’t lose because you “weren’t conservative enough” or because the country has become full of lazy “takers” who don’t want to earn a living or just want America to “turn in to Europe”.
- You didn’t lose because of Hurricane Sandy or because Chris Christie hugged the President on TV – they were both doing their jobs.
- You didn’t lose because of a liberal media, liberal college campuses, liberal polls that were “weighted to Democrats” (mostly because they were accurate), or because of “election fraud”… actually, that probably benefited you this time.
- No. You lost because your policies, tone, conspiracies, rigid inflexibility and irrational rhetoric helped align enough moderates, swing voters, and minority groups whom otherwise could be persuaded by Republicans, to align with Democrats and a beatable incumbent.
- It’s not that you didn’t get your message out, it’s that we all actually heard it and threw up a little in our mouths.
- There isn’t a mandate for Democrats in this election. Liberalism wasn’t rewarded in this election. However, calm pragmatism, compassion, working together, compromise and sincerity were rewarded. People may not have agreed with President Obama, but more felt he was sincere and that he understood their daily problems, fears, and dreams. If you don’t trust what the polls say, take a look at who is sworn in on January 20th. I thought you’d at least believe in Math when it came to counting to 270.
- Sincerity is the only thing in politics you can’t fake. You can’t teach it. No matter how shiny a candidate’s bio is, how smooth he is, or how perfect the gray hairs rest on his temples — any average Joe on the street can spot a bullshitter.
- Mitt is a generous and good man, but he didn’t know who he was or “needed” to be at any given time in that campaign. That’s largely his fault for lacking core convictions or personal toughness (Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush possessed both traits – that’s why they won).
- But you, the right wing base of the party, who drove so many of us moderate republicans out the door years ago, were the main catalyst. Your inability to reason, compromise, or let new facts and evidence challenge your predetermined outcomes led millions of moderates to no longer be able to stand on stage with you.
- Frankly, you’re embarrassing – more so than a crazy family member at dinner, or having your mom drop you off at a high school dance.
- You say stupid shit and look stupid saying it.
- You pass amendments to ban flag burning and then hang it upside down and post it on Facebook when you lose.
- You preach limited government in the economy when Democrats are in charge and then look the other way when you’re in charge.
- You want a government small enough to stay out of corporations and banks but big enough for bedrooms and hospital respirators (see Schiavo, Terri).
- There’s a hatred inside of you that burns in a way that scares normal people.
- You made unlikely allies in large corporations who are more interested in tax breaks and loopholes even if the government has to cut your Medicare and Social Security or cut education to a point where states and local governments have no financial choice but to educate your children in portable trailer classrooms with 35 other students.
- Would these corporations do this just to help pad their quarterly earnings reports with certain tax and regulatory policies? You bet your sweet ass they do. And you better believe they’re happy to have you make the “freedom” argument as “concerned citizen patriots” on their behalf.
- Yet, after those corporations spent billions on TV adds and herded you like sheep over the last half decade to discredit Barack Obama for everything from being a “Godless communist” — to his “being born in Kenya and hatching a secret plot to take down America” — to Obamacare’s “death panels and job killing regulations” -
- YOU still lost.
- After having a Senate Republican Leader state that his party’s top priority in Congress was to make “Obama a one term President” and a House of Representatives that blocked everything he tried to do and then had the brass to criticize him for “not getting anything done” -
- YOU still lost.
- After attacking gay people who want equal protection under the law (BTW, I’m referring to the 14th amendment to the constitution, I know you forget most of the amendments after the 2nd one) -
- YOU still lost.
- After attacking the Hispanic community who’s tired of being spoken “at” like criminals, attacking low income women who rely on Planned Parenthood for services of which 98% have nothing to do with abortion, and attacking relatively trivial things like PBS that children and adults enjoy as “1″ damn television channel that doesn’t include Honey Boo Boo or a “Fox News Breaking Alert” announcing Obama’s latest “Czar” appointment -
- YOU still lost.
- And after throwing all the red meat in your warped political base out to the rest of the country to eat, the majority of Americans weren’t hungry for it and didn’t trust ordering from your unhealthy, de-regulated menu -
- YOU still lost.
- You can read me the constitution, but you clearly don’t have a practical understanding of what you’ve read, heard on television, or forwarded to your entire email list of like minded xenophobes.
- This country is great because our founders were smart enough to limit the government’s power and give the people enough freedom and authority to correct their own mistakes in pursuit of a “more perfect union” (it’s in the first damn line of the Preamble, in case you can’t find it in your Tea Party Constitution Cliffs Notes).
- Our founders were utterly brilliant and sophisticated. I don’t like to speak for them, but I doubt they would have been friends with Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh or Sarah Palin. Nah, they wouldn’t have made the guest list at Mt. Vernon or Monticello.
- But let’s be clear, our founders weren’t perfect. They owned slaves. Only White male property owners had a say in things. Women, blacks, native Americans, and other constituencies had to wait for an American dream and in many cases, are still waiting and working for it. Speaking of work, children were working 12-16 hour days with zero safety protections in statute. Zero.
- The constitution, subsequent amendments and Supreme Court rulings and opinions since 1800 aren’t perfectly clear (those who think they are tend to have had a healthy serving of Kool-Aid and have never watched oral arguments at the Supreme Court).
- The founders knew that they, and the constitution they drafted, weren’t perfect. This is why they added a Bill of Rights and why they created a Supreme Court and a process that has allowed us to add 27 amendments to their work of art.
- Their imperfection is what led to a Civil War to prove that human and civil rights aren’t a “states’ rights issue” – they’re endowed by our creator, not by legislatures in Mississippi or Alabama, and they’re protected equally in our constitution, but also in our democratically passed laws.
- I run from the Capitol steps to the Lincoln Memorial most mornings that I’m in Washington. I may not be fast or smart, but I can read what’s carved in stone.
- Please. I welcome a challenge to what I’ve said. If you think because I voted for President Obama that I’m a socialist or that I don’t want a better America, I’m happy to take time from running a business I’ve co-founded and time from money I’m trying to raise for Big Brothers Big Sisters of America to pause and give you a fresh one. At no charge.
- But I do ask this: be a real Patriot. Look at that flag you’ve hung upside down. Look at what you’ve done to it and what that means. Thousands of our bravest men and women, braver than me, just lost limbs and in many cases their lives so that Iraqis and Afghanis could vote however they see fit. I did that on Tuesday and so did you. That’s what that flag stands for – equal access to a process, not a guarantee for any of our desired outcomes.
- A country that defeated Hitler, Mussolini, and bin Laden won’t crumble because the guy you wanted to be President got beat.
- You lost. Now learn from it.
Sincerely,
Guest Contributor, Rob Ellsworth, “A Proud American”

22 comments:

Sue said...

wow, excellent....I posted this to my teabagger friends fb page, I wonder if he read it before he deleted it....moron..

I've been trying so hard this past yr to get through to my teabagger friends, but never succeeded, not once. I give up trying but will never give up posting!

Shaw Kenawe said...

Thanks, Sue. That was a good read.

Will they learn?

Most of the rightwing blogs I've read are doubling down on what defeated them.

Sue said...

I can't read the rightwing blogs, I need to take time to read my friends blogs though...

Silverfiddle said...

It's a nice list, that essentially criticizes rightwing hate and statism while defending the leftwing variety.

Ho hum?

I do agree that the GOP crashed and burned. America already has one democrat party.

What happened on election day?

the demographic tidal wave talk is bs.

7 million potential GOP voters stayed home

But now, I urge Boehner to whip the GOP in line and make them cooperate with Obama. The People voted for progessivism and we must ensure they get it good and hard these next four years.

Either it will work or it won't. We'll know in four years.

Sue said...

You're sounding reasonable SF! Astonishingly Righties are saying their candidate was too moderate and they need to nominate an EXTREME CONSERVATIVE in 2016! WTH are they drinking?? This country has spoken, they will not put an extreme rightwinger in the White House!! The Righties learned NOTHING from this re election of Obama, they will only move farther to the right, right off the fuckin cliff, thank god...

Silverfiddle said...

Something else for you to consider:

Romney received around 57.8 million votes in 2012. In 2008, John McCain received 59.9 million. Romney got over 2 million fewer votes than McCain.

Obama received 60.6 million votes in 2012, almost 9 million less than he received in 2008.

Romney won independents by 5 points, and they made up 29% of all voters. McCain didn’t win independents.


McCain beats Romney!

Enjoy your victory, Obama won it fair and square, but be careful in patting yourselves on the back and thinking you've ushered in a new progressive century.

Seven million people who usually vote republican stayed home. They will decide the next election.

Sue said...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/11/opinion/sunday/dowd-romney-is-president.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0

"But the truth is, Romney was an unpalatable candidate. And shocking as it may seem, his strategists weren’t blowing smoke when they said they were going to win; they were just clueless.

Until now, Republicans and Fox News have excelled at conjuring alternate realities. But this time, they made the mistake of believing their fake world actually existed. As Fox’s Megyn Kelly said to Karl Rove on election night, when he argued against calling Ohio for Obama: “Is this just math that you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better?”

Romney and Tea Party loonies dismissed half the country as chattel and moochers who did not belong in their “traditional” America. But the more they insulted the president with birther cracks, the more they tried to force chastity belts on women, and the more they made Hispanics, blacks and gays feel like the help, the more these groups burned to prove that, knitted together, they could give the dead-enders of white male domination the boot.

The election about the economy also sounded the death knell for the Republican culture wars."

Dave Dubya said...

Something doesn't add up.

"Seven million people who usually vote republican stayed home.They will decide the next election."

Well obviously more than that didn't vote for Obama a second time, so that means more Democratic voters stayed home too.

Why do only stay-home republicans decide the next election, and not stay home democrats?

Silverfiddle said...

Dave: Obama's voters defected, the GOP voters simply stayed home.

Presumably some of the 7 million white voters were moderates who voted for Obama last time.

Sue said...

Interesting how you know this info, SF....js

Ya know, pretty much the way Fox and all involved KNEW without a doubt Romney would win by a landslide...

It's all speculation and I don't pay any attention to what people think is gonna happen 4 yrs from now...

Leslie Parsley said...

"If there’s one word that seemed to characterize Romney supporters’ immediate reaction to Obama’s victory, it’s “shock.”

A conservative Facebook friend posted this status: “For the first time in my life I am at a loss for words…absolutely baffled by the electorate and the election results, especially considering the current state the country is in.”

A radio reporter interviewed a woman at the Romney campaign party in Denver shortly after the election was called. Her response simmered with anger as she pondered the reality of how more than half the nation had voted: “What don’t they see?? It’s mind-boggling!”

What they don’t see are people like me.

I’m a 50-year-old white woman who lives in the swing state of Colorado. I’m married, I’m a mom, I have a PhD, and I’m a Christian. In Boulder. I can’t imagine trying to explain the world without faith and science. I’m upper middle class, but I come from blue-collar stock. I believe in capitalism, but I also believe its inevitable excesses must be tempered with regulations – you know, Genesis, original sin, the human propensity for greed and all. I’m pro-life in the fullest sense of the term. I’m happy for my gay friends who want to marry – I’m all for commitment when it comes to sustaining the social fabric. My evangelical grandmother, whom I treasured, was a member of the Women’s Christian Temperance Union. I’m a Democrat who likes hymns and red wine. Try squaring all that when it comes to putting me in a political box.

Like a great many voters who helped tip the election to Obama, I see social complexity that the poles refuse to acknowledge. I’m a reasonable centrist. And I think Republicans write us off at their own expense.

If one had spent the campaign watching only Fox News, following only conservative pundits and pollsters, it’s no wonder the election results seemed so inscrutable. Daniel Larion, doing some Wednesday morning quarterbacking in The American Conservative, observed that the entire Romney campaign was organized on “flawed assumptions.”

“Romney and his allies not only didn’t understand their opponent, but they went out of their way to make sure they misunderstood him, and in any kind of contest that is usually a recipe for failure.”

Likewise, Romney supporters misunderstand many of us who sent Obama back for four more years. Why on earth, given this economy, would tens of millions of Americans choose to do that?

The right-wing radio blowhards think they have it figured out: we’re dupes of the mainstream media, a giant liberal-elite faction engaged in a conspiratorial embrace with the Left; Hurricane Sandy and turncoat Chris Christie joined forces in an eleventh-hour PR move for the president; or – and this is emerging as the dominant narrative – we simply want more stuff that we don’t have to work for. We’re takers, not makers. Romney was right when he talked about the 47 percent, only it was 51 percent – apparently there were more slackers in the country than he counted on.

All of those explanations are as wrong as they are offensive.

I would like for my bewildered Republican friends to know how I could possibly have voted for Obama without being a far-left ideologue who is simultaneously blind, immoral and lacking in patriotism.

Here are five reasons. And I’m pretty sure I speak for the bulk of the moderates who broke for the president on Tuesday night."

....MORE

Leslie Parsley said...

The GOP deserves what it's getting and I love the fact that they're eating their own and tossing their cookies while doing it.

"...at the end of the day, Romney’s campaign should be assessed in the most accurate possible manner. Its failings should not be sugarcoated or glossed over. Instead, it should be described precisely as it was: One of the most cynical, dishonest and disreputable presidential campaigns in modern American history."

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/the_rumble/2012/11/good-riddance-to-mitt-romney

Sue said...

Thanks L...

The conservatives were right out LIED too and they fell for it like the good sheeple that they are! But will they turn away from Fox and the liars? NO, they will stubbornly stay like the good sheeple that they are..UGH

My conservatives friends are hearing none of it, they are simply shocked the country voted back in the Socialist Muslim...unbelievable...when will it end?

Flying Junior said...

Happily, we are moving into a brighter future. Comparing results with four years ago only yields so much useful information. McCain was a tired, senile ideologue. With some serious propensities towards hawkism. Palin, a certifiable maniac. Looking four years into the future is not possible. I might add Romney threatened the use of American force several times. Delusional for a candidate, to say the least.

IMHO, if the republicans want to re-enter the real world of the twenty-first century U.S.A. within the next four years, they had better put up a credible woman candidate to go up against Hillary! As far as females, the dems really kicked ass this time around. Contrast the shocking loss of feminine congress-critters in the 112th congress with the 113th congress. More females and more female senators than at any time in history. Mostly democratic females, mind you.

Sue said...

I just don't trust any Republican who says he's had a change of heart, sees what they did wrong this election and want to move towards the center to help them win over minorities and women in the next election. They are just too mean and stubborn to change their evil ways so quickly after the embarrassing loss...I do not trust them one bit..

Les Carpenter said...

Good post. I may not have liked the outcome (I voted Johnson) but it is now time to work with the President. The people spoke and they deserve results. Results will speak for themselves, but first we need to take action. Now is the time for constructive cooperation. Perhaps somebody can get Boner to listen.

You're right Sue, for the rEpublicans to again be relevant they will need to make their tent much bigger. 2012 was their election to lose, and they did, handedly.

In the meantime the LP will hopefully grow and gain the support of the millions of disillusioned yet reasonable rEpublicans.

The Elephant has lost its sight.

clif said...

How to properly deal with bigots

If properly applied could be used for most of the rest of the right wing exceptional extremists we suffer with in this country.

clif said...

The rabbit hole is getting deeper and deeper.

The first woman in the sex scandal was given extraordinary access to Petraeus for years, even in a combat zone, and ONLY after Petraeus returned to the USA to begin running the CIA did he decide to screw her?????

Yea right, his little white lie is designed to stop any Pentagon
recriminations for direct violations of the UCMJ, violations that have Lt. Gen. William E. Ward in hot water for fiscal indiscretions,

Pentagon: Army Gen. William 'Kip' Ward demoted for lavish travel, must repay $82,000

Brigadier General Jeffery A. Sinclair 82nd Airbourne in deep doo doo for very serious violations:

Article 32 hearing: Sinclair sexual charges detailed

and Rear Adm. Charles Gaouette was re-leaved while on deployment in the Seventh Fleet area of ops, the Middle east;

Stennis CSG commander sent home; probe ongoing

Well the woman who was screwing ret. Gen Petraeus gets angry cause another star struck flag officer groupie, is a getting too close to her general, which brought a shirt less right wing leaning FBI agent into the mix. He begins an investigation by getting the FBI cyber security division to look into the mess.

Well that isn't going fast enough or looking bad enough for the shirt less FBI agent, so he goes out side the FBI to wing nut GOper Congresscritters to try to get the bad news for Obama out before election day.

BTW the FBI is looking into their shirtless agent;

‘Shirtless’ FBI agent in Petraeus case under scrutiny

The congresscritters went to the head of the FBI Muller trying to get somebody to release the scandal to the public before the sheeple voted.

They failed. President Barack Obama was re-elected by a majority of the American people.

Back to the second flag officer groupie, she is quite interesting;

She and her sister ran a scam charity in 2006;

Petraeus Whistle Blower Jill Kelley Involved In Shady Charity

Is deep in debt;

Petraeus friend Jill Kelley found place hosting military parties

claims to represent a foreign government;

Jill Kelley is an 'honorary consul' of South Korea

and helped her sister getting both Gen Petraeus and Gen Allen involved
with her sisters divorce lawsuits;

Jill Kelley's Sister, Natalie Khawam, Got David Petraeus And John Allen Letters Of Support In Custody Battle

clif said...

Wanna know another connection between all these people in this ever growing scandal and waste of tax payers dollars???


they are all GOPers.

But you'll never hear right wing troglodytes or corporate owned media outlets making this connection of wasting tax payers dollars on a GOper right wing scandal.

They will make their pet general, Pertaeus the victim, and cry that the FBI over stepped it's bounds when it was GOpers asking for it, until they got it.

Joe Scarborough blasts F.B.I. for taking down Petraeus with ‘fishing expedition’


Petraeus is no victim, he made his bed and enjoyed laying in it until the light of day revealed his actions.

Infidel753 said...

The voter numbers SF was citing were incomplete. Votes were (and I think are) still being counted. Obama's margin was bigger than originally reported and both candidates will get more total votes than those numbers. Romney may actually catch up with McCain yet still lose by a bigger popular-vote margin than was reported at first.

As long as they deny the significance of demographic shifts, they won't be able to cope with what's happening. It's not just that the non-white share of the population is inching up. Voter-suppression schemes backfired by motivating minorities to vote. And it's not just about race. The non-religious segment of the population has doubled in less than ten years (now about 20%), and the trend will continue. The Christian Right and anti-gay bigotry are a millstone around the Republican neck.

Infidel753 said...

Favorite fact about the election: Even for the House (Republicans' sole "win" at the federal level), Democratic candidates got half a million more votes than Republican ones. Republicans held the House only because of gerrymandering. Going by popular vote, we would have won a clean sweep of the whole federal government.

Samuel L. Bronkowitz said...

As we can see from our ever-reliable teabilly commenter, they simply do not have the capacity to learn. But the leaders of their party do, at least in part, understand now that pandering to uninformed cauldrons of hate like our old friend Fiddle is the path to utter irrelevancy. Changes are coming.