Saturday, September 4, 2010

lisa's Shariah law, and the truth about her claims...

This is lisa's interpretation of the Sharia Law she and her rightie friends think is coming to America...

1- Jihad defined as “to war against non-Muslims to establish the religion” is the duty of every Muslim and Muslim head of state (Caliph). Muslim Caliphs who refuse jihad are in violation of Sharia and unfit to rule.

2- A Caliph can hold office through seizure of power meaning through force.

3- A Caliph is exempt from being charged with serious crimes such as murder, adultery, robbery, theft, drinking and in some cases of rape.

4- A percentage of Zakat (alms) must go towards jihad.

5- It is obligatory to obey the commands of the Caliph, even if he is unjust.

6- A caliph must be a Muslim, a non-slave and a male.

7- The Muslim public must remove the Caliph in one case, if he rejects Islam.

8- A Muslim who leaves Islam must be killed immediately.
9- A Muslim will be forgiven for murder of : 1) an apostasy 2) an adulterer 3) a highway robber. Making vigilante street justice and honor killing acceptable.

10- A Muslim will not get the death penalty if he kills a non-Muslim.

11- Sharia never abolished slavery and sexual slavery and highly regulates it. A master will not be punished for killing his slave.

12- Sharia dictates death by stoning, beheading, amputation of limbs, flogging and other forms of cruel and unusual punishments even for crimes of sin such as adultery.

13- Non-Muslims are not equal to Muslims and must comply to Sharia if they are to remain safe. They are forbidden to marry Muslim women, publicly display wine or pork, recite their scriptures or openly celebrate their religious holidays or funerals. They are forbidden from building new churches or building them higher than mosques. They may not enter a mosque without permission. A non-Muslim is no longer protected if he commits adultery with a Muslim woman or if he leads a Muslim away from Islam.

14- It is a crime for a non-Muslim to sell weapons to someone who will use them against Muslims. Non-Muslims cannot curse a Muslim, say anything derogatory about Allah, the Prophet, or Islam, or expose the weak points of Muslims. However, the opposite is not true for Muslims.

15- A non-Muslim cannot inherit from a Muslim.

16- Banks must be Sharia compliant and interest is not allowed.

17- No testimony in court is acceptable from people of low-level jobs, such as street sweepers or a bathhouse attendant. Women in such low level jobs such as professional funeral mourners cannot keep custody of their children in case of divorce.

18- A non-Muslim cannot rule even over a non-Muslims minority.

19- Homosexuality is punishable by death.

20- There is no age limit for marriage of girls under Sharia. The marriage contract can take place anytime after birth and consummated at age 8 or 9.

21- Rebelliousness on the part of the wife nullifies the husband’s obligation to support her, gives him permission to beat her and keep her from leaving the home.

22- Divorce is only in the hands of the husband and is as easy as saying: “I divorce you” and becomes effective even if the husband did not intend it.

23- There is no community property between husband and wife and the husband’s property does not automatically go to the wife after his death.

24- A woman inherits half what a man inherits.
25- A man has the right to have up to 4 wives and she has no right to divorce him even if he is polygamous.

26- The dowry is given in exchange for the woman’s sexual organs.

27- A man is allowed to have sex with slave women and women captured in battle, and if the enslaved woman is married her marriage is annulled.

28- The testimony of a woman in court is half the value of a man.

29- A woman looses custody if she remarries.

30- To prove rape, a woman must have 4 male witnesses.

31- A rapist may only be required to pay the bride-money (dowry) without marrying the rape victim.

32- A Muslim woman must cover every inch of her body which is considered “Awrah,” a sexual organ. Some schools of Sharia allow the face and some don’t.

33- A Muslim man is forgiven if he kills his wife caught in the act of adultery. However, the opposite is not true for women since he “could be married to the woman he was caught with.”

This is one of the comments about lisa's interpretation of Sharia law....

Fredd said... Lisa's enumeration of sharia is enough to make anybody puke. If this is the word of the Koran, then anyone who advocates sharia should be considered an enemy of our representative republic. Nearly all of sharia is criminal here in the U.S. 


Wow, Fredd and lisa really should educate themselves before they start spewing such stupidity. This is the problem in America today. These righties get ass over head,  they do not do the research needed to post a comment on a subject, but simply recite the words a hateful rightwing website tells them to. 

Here is a portion of a  post by Sumbul Ali Karamali, on September 3, 2010, Huffington Post.....

 Hasn't the whole notion of shariah in America gotten a bit out of control? No, it hasn't -- it's gotten hugely, obscenely, ignorantly out of control. How many of those anti-Islam protesters holding "NO SHARIA LAW" signs (as if anyone were advocating shariah law in the U.S.) actually know what the word means? I'd say, oh, none. Roughly.
Shariah (also spelled shari'ah or sharia or shari'a) is the Arabic word for "the road to the watering place." In a religious context, it means "the righteous path." Loosely, it can mean simply, "Islam."
There are six principles of shariah. They are derived from the Qur'an, which Muslims believe is the word of God. All Islamic religious rules must be in line with these six principles of shariah.
Aha! The six principles must be about killing infidels, veiling women, stoning people for adultery, honor killings and female genital cutting, right? Nope.
Here they are, the six principles of shariah:
1. The right to the protection of life.
2. The right to the protection of family.
3. The right to the protection of education.
4. The right to the protection of religion.
5. The right to the protection of property (access to resources).
6. The right to the protection of human dignity.
Well, bless me, as a pledge-of-allegiance-reciting, California-raised Muslim girl, these six principles sound a lot like those espoused in my very own Constitution of the United States. Except that these were developed over a thousand years ago.
This is the core of shariah -- these six principles. The term "shariah law" is a misnomer, because shariah is not law, but a set of principles. To Muslims, it's the general term for "the way of God."
 
you can finish reading here but I want to add her closing words....

 Repeating a lie over and over again doesn't make it true; but it certainly results in people believing the lie. That's what the Islam-haters are counting on. That, and the ignorance about Islamic tenets.
So the best thing to do is find out what Islam really is about. Talk to a Muslim in person. Read an introduction to Islam (try a fun one like mine). Read Loonwatch to read about the holes in the anti-Islamic rhetoric. Or take a look at the University of Georgia's informational website on Islam, for some quick answers and further reading. If you read the anti-Islam fear-mongering websites, all you'll learn will be tall tales.
Bigotry may be a human tendency, but America has never stood for bigotry. I believe in an America that stands for pluralism and multicultural understanding. The hysteria and hate toward Muslims - resulting in several acts of violence against Muslims just this week, such as a stabbing and arson - is un-American. We must stop it, and the first step is understanding and education.
Sumbul Ali-Karamali is an attorney with an additional degree in Islamic law, as well as the author of "The Muslim Next Door: the Qur'an, the Media, and that Veil Thing."

 
This is why we liberals are here. We need to expose the stupidity coming from the right!
 

40 comments:

Tao Dao Man said...

Amazing.

Annette said...

Thanks Sue, I am glad to be enlightened also.. That's some good information and is worth keeping and using next time someone says anything stupid about the so called "Sharia Law"

Sue said...

amazing is right!

Annette we need to keep exposing these moron righties!

Jerry Critter said...

The right cares nothing about truth and honesty. They are only interested in power and are more than willing to play on peoples fears and insecurities by promoting hate, fear, and racism. They will say anything to further their cause. They are consistently inconsistent. They switch positions in an instant. They say one thing and then turn around and say the opposite a minute later. It is all about money and power.

Who do you see carrying guns around? Who do you hear about wishing people would die or be killed? Who wants to kill people who disagree with them? The right. They are the real American terrorists.

Sue said...

It's so true Jerry. They are even proud to call themselves domestic rightwing terrorists!

I found it so funny lisa is addressed by her own name in Sumbul Ali-Karamali's piece. She can read about herself in Loonwatch! LOL

Joe Kelly said...

Intense counseling is required for pathological liars such as this "Lisa." This of course would entail her dressing as a slave girl and being subject to spankings.

My couch is open.

Sue said...

Prof. Dick, I hope lisa and her friends make their appointments soon. They are in desperate need of your attention...:-)

Hugh Jee From Jersey said...

OK, if she really want to get into the moral superiority of Judeo- Christian culture, check out some of these, all from The Old Testament Book of Deuteronomy (King James)....

27:15 "Cursed is the one who makes any carved or molded image, an abomination to the Lord, the work of the hands of a craftsman, and sets it up in secret."

(Does that include building model airplanes?)

23:2 "One of illegitimate birth shall not enter the congregation of the Lord".

(There goes half of Hollywood)

22:23-24 "If a young woman who is a virgin is betrothed to a husband, and a man finds her in the city and lies with her,, then you shall bring both out to the gates of the city, and you shall stone them to death with stones".

(See above)

Regarding warfare....

20:16 "But of the cities of these peoples which the Lord your God gives you as an inheritance, you shall let nothing that breathes remain alive".

(Yep, burn it all to ground in order to save it. The Bible says it's cool)

And finally, in the case of unruly kids....you parents will REALLY like this one.

21:18-21 "If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and who, after they have chastened him, will not heed them....then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of the city, to the gate of the city....and they shall say to the elders of his city 'this son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard'....then the men of his city shall stone him to death with stones".

(Hey, that'll get the spoiled brat's attention.)

OK....my Sunday sermon is over. Time to get get ready for church and listen to a "pro".

Amen....and have a great Labor Day!

Sue said...

Hugh there are quite a few wingnuts in leadership positions who believe we should be living by the Old Testament! And people actually vote for them, over and over...

Leslie Parsley said...

Terrific post, Sue. Have bookmarked it for future reference.

I don't think all the counseling and spankings in the world could help this woman and her fellow loons. They're too far gone and there's nothing there to work with in the first place.

Remember that Lisa has said she isn't religious, but she's such a liar I don't think we should risk believing her.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

The bigotry of the Right blinds them to the facts, which are as Sumbul Ali Karamali presented them in his Huffington Post article.

Repeating a lie over and over DOES make it true... as far as the Righties are concerned.

Who came up with that list of Sharia Law commandments, Newt Gingrich?

Silverfiddle said...

Go tell it to the gays and the adulteresses who've been slaughtered.

We have been spared the fate of the Middle East and Europe so far. Let's hope it stays that way.

You think Jerry Falwell and James Dobson are bad? heh!

Islamic societies are very illiberal.

BTW, Sue. What is it with you and Lisa? Are you two sisters?

Lisa said...

Aha! The six principles must be about killing infidels, veiling women, stoning people for adultery, honor killings and female genital cutting, right? Nope.


I guess those six principles must be Christianity then right?

Silverfiddle said...

You're wasting your time Lisa. They see a righwingconservativechristian behind every tree, just waiting to impose a fundamental theocracy on the United States, but they are blind to "honor" killings, stonings, decapitations, gross human rights abuses against gays, non-muslims and women.

Sue said...

she's just my troll who won't go away SF. But I do believe lisa is really Mal...

SF, shariah will never take over the United States of America. That is just ridiculous fearmongering because of the rights fear of Muslims...

Sue said...

look guys, nobody says these atrocities don't happen, these are the extremists. Ya know like the American extremists who murder abortion doctors...

It is not happening in America and never will!

Sue said...

W, this is how rightwingers steal votes, by their lies and fearmongering. Lies, lies, and more lies. UT OH, watch out for the big bad boogeyman!!

I had to do some more exposing Leslie, we all have to do our part! No of course they will never change, they'd rather eat shit and die than say a liberal was correct..

Silverfiddle said...

Sue, I hope you are right about sharia never happening here. Just saying it won't make it so. We must guard our classical liberal values.

Comparing body counts gets us nowhere. Examining what has happened in every society Muslim extremists infest is instructive.

Lisa said...

Sue Nobody thinks Sharia law will take over the US. Where did you pull that little gem out from?
We just don't want it to be used here .....at all. It's not our laws and we should not have to be "Sharia Compliant".
People who come here should assimilate not the other way around.

Jerry Critter said...

SF, you said,

"Examining what has happened in every society Muslim extremists infest is instructive."

The key word in your sentence is extremists, not Muslim.

It doesn't matter if they are Muslim or not. This kind of statement, where you identify a specific kind of extremist, is fear mongering.

Silverfiddle said...

Indeed Jerry. Let's hope the Muslim extremists never hold sway here. We have enough home grown nuts of all stripes...

Jerry Critter said...

SF,
Let's hope that extremists, no matter what their stripes, never hold sway here. The type of extremist is not relevant.

Silverfiddle said...

Jerry: WOW!!! We agree!

Jerry Critter said...

Sure, why not? There had to be one or maybe two things we can agree on.

Hugh Jee From Jersey said...

Oh for God's sake, we can never have Shariah law in the United States....we can't even ban alcohol in the country successfully (see "Prohibition")!

Leslie Parsley said...

I was hoping Lisa would be too busy with her blog to muck around with us elitists.

Shaw Kenawe said...

Go tell it to the gays and the adulteresses who've been slaughtered.

Like gays have never been "slaughtered" in this country? Ever hear of Matthew Shepard? Or 15-year old Lawrence King?

Or 32-year old Christopher Rudlow? Google these names and find out the Sharia-like law being used by vigilanties in this country against gays.

There are hundreds more stories like this--and gawd only knows how many young people killed themselves when they realized the hatred they would face all their lives simply for being who they were.

And on what would that hatred and revulsion of gays be predicated? Not just Islam, my friend, but Christianity--The Good Book--written by the merciful Godalmighty, that says gays are an abomination to Him--thereby giving every ignorant follower of this merciful god a terrific reason to justify hatred and loathing, and murder.

When people cluck their tongues and say that Jesus cam to right the OT, I ask them to find me anywhere in the NT where Jesus says anything about homosexuality. There is nothing. So I guess Jesus thought the OT--God the Father's inerrant Word, was just peachy keen in its condemnation-Sharia-like law of homosexuals.

Now, shall we talk about the Sharia-like law that southern Chrisstians practiced on American citizens of African hertiage less than 50 years ago, y'know when they strung them up on trees or tortured and murdered them because of the Curse of Ham, q.v.

Lots of sharia-like hangings and gawd knows what else were going on in this Christian nation until just recently.

Google 14-year old Emmett Till, just for starters.

And even though we no longer burn, drown, or hang women for being witches, that also was part of Sharia-like Christian law.

It's oh so easy to spread fear and ignorance about someone else's religion while completely ignoring what the majority religion in this country has perpetrated in its god's name over the centuries.

Silverfiddle said...

Shaw:
If you are seriously saying that Christians in this country are just as murderous of gays and women as Muslims are in Islamic countries, you are delusional.

Also, a key distinction you fail to grasp is that we prosecute such behavior in this country; in Muslim countries they applaud and celebrate it.

Here in that rightwingchristian redoubt of Colorado Springs, land of the Fundamentalists, we also have a thriving gay community. And guess what? Nobody gets beaten or murdered. Imagine that!

The strain of self-loathing that runs through modern day "liberalism" is disturbing...

Shaw Kenawe said...

SF: "If you are seriously saying that Christians in this country are just as murderous of gays and women as Muslims are in Islamic countries, you are delusional."

I did NOT say that. I said this country and its majority religion encouraged and looked the other way when these atrocities were committed against gays.

SF: "Also, a key distinction you fail to grasp is that we prosecute such behavior in this country; in Muslim countries they applaud and celebrate it."


SF, up until our recent history, the KKK got away with murdering American citizens and they certainly "celebrated" each death with a festive cross burning. It took decades before Chaney, Goodman, and Schwerner"s assassins were brought to justice.

SF: "Here in that rightwingchristian redoubt of Colorado Springs, land of the Fundamentalists, we also have a thriving gay community. And guess what? Nobody gets beaten or murdered. Imagine that!"

"A prominent national gay rights organization on Tuesday blasted Colorado state Sen. Scott Renfroe for comparing homosexuality to murder when he spoke Monday against a bill that would extend health benefits to same-sex domestic partners of state employees.

After quoting Scripture to call homosexual behavior a “detestable act,” the Greeley Republican said it would be “an abomination according to Scripture” for the Legislature to “(take) sins and (make) them to be legally OK.”


But it's true, Colorado, as it leans toward "blue" is becoming more civilized.

SF: "The strain of self-loathing that runs through modern day "liberalism" is disturbing..."

The strain of willful ignorance within certain groups of the GOP is far more dissturbing, IMHO.

TomCat said...

Both Islam and Christianity can be interpreted in such a way that such horrific things as Lisa's version of Shariah can follow. While they do not in the mainstream of either religion, extremist elements of both call for such things.

Al Qaeda is Islam's version of the Tea Party.

Silverfiddle said...

Freedom of speech, Shaw. Saying idiotic things about gays is not the same as endangering them.

I agree with Tomcat up until his last sentence.

Our society punishes those who act out violently, and it has a civilizing influence on people. You are free to worship Christ or ridicule him here, and the odds of an intolerant believer killing you over it are slim.

We will never all believe the same way, and we will always have fringe kooks among us. We are free here to shout the name of Jesus or loudly laugh at his believers.

We celebrate the freedom to let your freak flag fly! I just pray it stays that way.

Shaw Kenawe said...

"Our society punishes those who act out violently, and it has a civilizing influence on people."--SF

After 100 years, yes, our society finally decided to stop letting people murder African Americans with impugnity.

And America is finally waking up to understand that it isn't Constitutional to deny people their guaranteed rights just be cause certain "holy" books say their sexual orientation is an abomination.

"The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice."


BTW, Sue, over at Jo Joe Politico, he's having a hissy fit because he says that quote that is on the new rug President Obama installed in the Oval Office wasn't MLK's quote but someone else; therefore that proves Mr. Obama is incompetent, and we're fools for having voted for him.

It's true that MLK borrowed the quote, BUT HE MADE IT FAMOUS! Abraham Lincoln borrowed his "A house divided..." quote from the NT--St. Mark, and JFK borrowed his famous "Ask not what your country can do..." quote from Oliver Wendell Holmes. But each of thos men are remembered as making those quotes famous.

Not enough for Joe--to him it means we've got an amateur in the WH! LOL!

Next week he'll complain about the color of Mr. Obama's socks and say it proves that the president is sartorially ignorant! LOL!

Leslie Parsley said...

SF - "a key distinction you fail to grasp is that we prosecute such behavior in this country"

We do?

Leslie Parsley said...

SF - "a key distinction you fail to grasp is that we prosecute such behavior in this country"

We do?

Silverfiddle said...

Yes, wife beating and killing people for sexual or confessional differences is generally frowned upon, at least where I live. Maybe it's different in your neck of the woods.

More importantly, they are illegal.

These bedrock principles are in our constitution. Thank God our founders enshrined these principle even though they themselves did not meet them.

Could you imagine if they had just said "aw to hell with it, let's just write in there that women and blacks are second class citizens!"

At least then they couldn't be called hypocrites by their intellectual inferiors two centuries after.

That you must continue to reach back into the mists of time when examples of malfeasance run low is a testament to how far we have progressed as a society.

Shaw Kenawe said...

That you must continue to reach back into the mists of time when examples of malfeasance run low is a testament to how far we have progressed as a society. --Silverfiddle

Dear, dear SF,

Reaching back to the "mists of time?" Really? 50 years is hardly "mists of time," with regard to equal rights for our African American brothers and sisters. And Matthew Shepard and the disgraceful treatment of gays is TODAY!

You look at America and say she's perfect right now; I look at America and say she will become perfect so long as we refuse to accept anything but justice for all of our citizens.

Including Muslims!

Silverfiddle said...

I never said America is perfect and I never advocated denying anyone in this country justice, including Muslims.

Sue said...

"Al Qaeda is Islam's version of the Tea Party" I like it TC! LOL. I guess I shouldn't laugh because it's really true!

Thanks for the great comments everyone. I wonder why it is alot of wingnuts are always talking about Shariah and even showing horrendous videos like we all should be cowering in fear and putting all the American Muslims in concentration camps because the big evil is taking over our country! It's all so friggin lameass stupid! Why do conservatives fear so much, don't they believe God protects them from evil??

Mauigirl said...

Thank you so much for posting the truth here. I have a rightwing acqaintance who is constantly sending me these anti-Islam e-mails that include lies such as the ones you expose here. The problem with these people is, as you mention, they just repeat the lies that are told to them without ever checking to see if they are true. They don't want to know the truth, I guess.

Unknown said...

American Taliban would like it to be just Bible law, we are under, not this crazy Islamic Sharia law. All a matter of whose God can beat up the others first.