Rep. Alan Grayson of Florida is proving every day he is compassionate, caring, and the kinda guy this country needs in 2016.
If Democrats keep electing men like Grayson to represent us we have no worry we will continue to hold power for many, many years to come. Hopefully as long as I have left on the planet!
I know it's way too soon to be talking about 2016, but pay attention my fellow Dems, we have to stay on top of things, we can not be passive, we can not turn our backs for one minute. The rethugs are desperate, they will do ANYTHING to steal back the power. They cannot be trusted, you already know that!
OK, Yes I just watched Grayson on Olbermann and I am liking his passion. He CARES about you and me, he CARES about healthcare reform.
Remember his name... Alan Grayson
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For a guy who's a rookie, he's kicking ass like a veteran player. I do like his attitude.
I'll be heading to his neck of the woods in 2 weeks.
The man is a light in the halls of darkness.
he is very impressive indeed! Why are you awake in the middle of the night Jerry??
This single post and your reaction to it PROVES to me that you are people beyond help or redemption. This unfortunate Grayson is a hate-filled liar. It was a ridiculous statement to make and beneath the dignity of someone in his position to go before Congress with such blatantly false hate speech. You all are so dishonest even with yourselves, that you to refuse to look into the mirror to see that you are EXACTLY what you spew about conservatives day after day. You destroy any credibility that you could possibly earn by being so "one note" in every way. You spew hate and derision day after day and NEVER have anything original or new to say about the ISSUES. It is a waste of time to even attempt to discuss any issue with you, because you are so obtuse as to be rendered unable to see anything through the fog of your own vile hatred. Your pathetic goal in life is to come up with new disparaging names for anyone who disagrees with the Democrat party talking points, and then you call them facists!!!! You are incapable of original thought and therefore robotic in your comments. You truly are like a group of teens with arrested development.
The only America you want to see is the one to which Obama will do his best to take you. The problem is, once you get there, you are going to hate the restrictions, the taxes, the government interference, and the fact that you won't be able to spew your beloved hatred. Speech will be so regulated. The control has already been plotted and planned and is ready for implementation. You are all dimwitted sheep and won't wake up until it is too late. I feel sorry for your ignorance.
Oh my goodnes gracious Linda, you are mighty angry this morning. Could it be because health reform is right around the corner, or because Obama won the NPP? You are the dimwitted sheep because you do nothing but quote conservative fearmongering talking points. Why would you call Grayson a liar when he is nothing but the true-blue type of rep. this country so needs right now. He speaks of caring for the people of this country over profits and greed. Did you condemn your side for their hate-filled retoric during the town halls and in front of Congress? It's never gonna work Linda, I believe your side are liars and obstructionists and you believe my side are liars. But all in all I do appreciate your comments! :-)
Linda see PoliticsPlus on my bloglist, please click and read.
Frodo once knew a very wealthy man who dedicated himself to the country that provided him with so much opportunity. He was not a warrior, but he was a fearless leader. If Frodo were to mention his name, not a single reader here would recognize this gallant man.
In those days, the President of the United States compiled an "Enemies List," and instructed his underlings to commence harassment against those who opposed him (from the public record, for example, it can be surmised that Cesar Chavez was one of those targeted). Frodo's friend was confronted and told to initiate tax audits against those on the list, or he would be removed from his job. Frodo's friend, in so many words, told the Presidential underling that he did not need the job, so the threat was not important. However, his country was, and he told the Presidential underling that not only would he prevent the action, but he was on his way, out the door, to the WASHINGTON POST, and he would provide full disclosure to the press.
Frodo has long recognized that the independent wealth of his friend allowed him to act with honor, and respect, for his country. It is unfortunate that all of us do not have such independence.
Representative Grayson is a millionaire, and he does not need this job. He can act with his heart, as well as with his mind. For someone such as Linda to merely dismiss his words as purely partisan is an off-hand dismissal of reason, and is a reflection of her willingness to swallow grape Kool-Aid. Her statements are the height of folly, and are contravened by the lessons of history.
Frodo you have my utmost thanks and respect. I love having you visit and comment with your wisdom!!
I don't spew hate and I have NEVER called anyone a facist. I am here giving my opinions about my party and also about your party. I see the truth and speak the truth, unlike conservatives..
I adore Alan Grayson!
Rep Anthony Weiner frm NY also gets my support.
I would be hard-pressed to decide which one would be Pres and Vice Pres. ;)
"This unfortunate Grayson is a hate-filled liar."
This proves that all you want is someone to validate what you want to hear. If you noticed, he called out democrats as well and he should. And you want to call him out for using hate speech? That's BEYOND laughable.
"The only America you want to see is the one to which Obama will do his best to take you."
And you're wanting....
Pot calling the kettle.
It was only 11:30 pm where I live. What is your excuse?
I loved Linda's post. Her post is exactly all the things she is accusing you of doing.
Hypocrisy on the loose.
Jerry - It's getting to the point where I can't read Linda's view anymore without laughing. Both B.J. and myself have tried to inform her of her "view" of the world through certain glasses and it's like it never catches on.
Hypocrisy on the loose, indeed.
CDM ~ I want the America given to us by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution...you know the guiding document that Mr. Obama is doing his best to circumvent.
Mr. Grayson IS a liar. No conservative wants people to "die quickly". Republicans want health care reform that truly benefits all Americans. They want a STABLE program that won't be bankrupt in two years...unlike Obama's plan which will go the way of Social Security and Medicare...bankrupt! Conservatives want a plan that doesn't tax Americans into poverty. Obama lies when he says he will not tax those who make less than $250,000. EVERYONE will be paying huge taxes before he is through (except the tax cheats in Congress, of course.) Why can't liberals see that there will be no health care anywhere when the cost of this fiasco finally surfaces. Obama lies when he tells you that it will be deficit neutral. What a joke. It is IMPOSSIBLE to spend TRILLIONS of dollars and hope to survive as a nation. WE CANNOT AFFORD FOR UNCLE SAM TO BE EVERYONE'S CARETAKER.
The logical solution (one which conservatives endorse) is to make affordable health care available to those who have no coverage and want it. Those who already have health care should not have to go to some government plan just because Obama undercuts all the other plans already in service. I just want all the Marxists in Obama's administration from bottom to top to go live in some other already socialist country and leave America alone. More than 50% of the population doesn't want Obama's "fundamental transformation" of America. I certainly don't.
"I want the America given to us by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution"
I actually find that interesting. EXACTLY what version are you referring to? Do you want the original unaltered document or the one that keeps getting amended, but should only have the amendments you approve of?
Linda,
"...because Obama undercuts all the other plans already in service"
Wouldn't you like to pay less for your health insurance...or at least have the CHOICE and OPTION to pay less?
I have to laugh when a self proclaimed [conservative] starts grasping at the constitution. The insano far right fringe, [birthers] parrot this talking point to gain patriotic sympathy. Where were they when the SHRUB was shredding their beloved constitution? i can tell you where they were. They were awol. Running around like chickens with their heads cut off. screaming [[[ WE WANT SECURITY]]]] The hell with the Constitution and our freedoms, just give us delusional security. Well one of our founding fathers had something to say about that. If, and when we choose security over freedom. then we deserve neither. I will take freedom over delusional security all day long.
RZ ~ Bush didn't shred the Constitution, he attempted to protect the U.S. against further attacks, and was. of course, successful. Unless you were making overseas phone calls to people who were suspected terrorists, then I think you had nothing to worry about from President Bush. How many everyday citizens were arrested in the wiretap process? I don't think you will find any. I didn't notice any loss of freedom when Bush was President. Your quip about taking security over delusional freedom any day is laughable considering the President we now have. You now have a guarantee of neither security nor freedom under Obama.
Did it ever occur to you that many conservatives REALLY believe what they say? The majority of those conservatives attending town hall meetings and tea parties are patriotic every day Americans who want our unadulterated Constitution to be honored. I'm not saying that every amendment is bad, far from it. What worries me is our current President who doesn't seem to think very much of the Constitution in any form. His goal is to make the Constitution "fair"...whatever that means to him. When deciding whom to trust with the Constitution, I would choose the Founding Fathers and their wisdom, not the arrogant "corrections" being pursued by Mr. Obama.
Jerry ~ Why is it so hard for libs to understand that no company is going to keep their current health care plan when the government comes out with a "cheap" alternative? Your employer will suddenly decide that he would rather pay the fine than to continue to cover your family's health costs. The only option left will be the public option. I don't want the big nose of government in my health care coverage. EVERYTHING that the government has taken over is bigger, more wasteful, filled with red tape, delay ridden, corrupt, inept, uncaring and BANKRUPT!!!! Think about it and see the truth. Please.
If your company drops its health insurance coverage, you will always have to option to by private insurance yourself -- just like now. Companies do not have to provide insurance. If you don't like to public option, don't get it.
Where is the problem?
linda; again you go back to the [founding fathers]. looking for false patriotic empathy. the shrub regime committed crimes. they have not, and will not be held accountable. the only ones that the w/cheney regime kept safe were the globalized corps. Our soldiers shed their blood sweat and tears to protect the global corps. There was nothing [conservative] about the W regime. the NEOCONS played him like a fiddle. and the republican party was the choir. yes, the spineless dems carried the water, and are complicit. IT is the system that is broken, there are no more checks and balances. We allowed the Trojan horse to enter our gates long ago.
wow guys, way to keep the conversation going while I'm out shopping!
Jerry I was up cuz I could not sleep, thats very unusual for me. And RZ, I just love when you say SHRUB, cracks me the hell up! C, you can hold your own with Linda so I guess I'm not needed here! You did say one hot topic will bring 'em around! I will leave to cook dinner but want to ad, I think Grayson is AWESOME!!
Oh and Hi Dusty, how about Grayson/Weiner 2016??!!
"Bush didn't shred the Constitution, he attempted to protect the U.S. against further attacks, and was. of course, successful. Unless you were making overseas phone calls to people who were suspected terrorists, then I think you had nothing to worry about from President Bush. How many everyday citizens were arrested in the wiretap process? I don't think you will find any."
The thing is, you actually believe that and that is genuine. You see what you want, it's your interpretation. The fact that you went about(in a sense) defending or even excusing the wiretaps is just mind boggling.
"I didn't notice any loss of freedom when Bush was President."
This is the part of your logic that all of us, and especially B.J., keeps pointing out to you. You choose to look at things in a different light or through upper middle-class glasses that keep you from seeing anything else.
I could go on, but I really don't see the point and I say that with sincerity.
Sue - What started out as a discussion of Grayson turned into an initiative on the constitution. Normally, I'd call this thing as being hijacked, but in the spirit of Grayson, it actually fits.
Next time you or I call one another, I'll point out some other things I saw here. You know how I am about typing.
Getting back to Grayson. he has also called the banksters out. he has held their feet to the fire, with some provocative questions. but it was all for not. as his [coworkers] lol did not back him up.
Jerry ~ How long do you really expect private insurance companies to survive when most people will choose the public option (unless they compare coverage) thinking they are getting great coverage inexpensively. I've heard all the garbage about how the public option will keep private companies in check, but that is bunk. The government needs to allow capitalism to work the way it always has by laying down a few rules to protect people from those who would be dishonest and then encouraging competition by allowing purchases of insurance from other states and stopping companies from dropping people who become ill. I think we would have a healthier system without involving your "honest" elected officials. Look at all the crooks in Congress...do you really want their criminal minds in charge of your health care? I, for one, don't! You are just a ticket to riches and power to them. They don't really care about you or your health care.
And Insurance companies don't care about us and our health either!! Just their PROFITS!! Get real Linda, Ins. Cos. are lying when they say they will be run out of business, the ex CEO of United Health said that. Get ready girlfriend cuz its coming and you and your fearmongering reps. can't stop it this time, Obama means business!
Let the private companies offer the exactly same coverage benefits as the public option offers. If they can't compete on price then whose fault is that? Sounds like free enterprise to me.
who here thinks Linda and husband own an insurance company, or are insurance salespeople??
RZ ~ What crimes can you prove were committed by Bush/Cheney? All of that has been looked into by bi-partisan groups, and no law breaking was found. Quit beating that same dead horse. It really is dead, you know.
Those who know Bush regard him as a decent, dedicated man with strong convictions and beliefs and a good deal of faith. What charges can you prove that he is a law-breaker?
CDM ~ "I didn't notice any loss of freedom when Bush was President."
***This is the part of your logic that all of us, and especially B.J., keeps pointing out to you. You choose to look at things in a different light or through upper middle-class glasses that keep you from seeing anything else.***
In the first place, I am not by any stretch upper middle class. Secondly, my family is suffering though the economic problems just as many others are. My husband is being laid-off from work at least one week out of every month and several months it has been two weeks. I babysit my three grandchildren during the week, which, of course, doesn't pay as a job would. You can see that "wealthy" is not even on the horizon for us. I do, however, have a strong belief in the American system and believe it to be the best place in the world in which to live. Not too many places in the world can attest to having people swarm their borders, risking their very lives, to get a chance to live there. We do have that situation here, and it is because of the admirable success of our capitalistic system of government. We have enjoyed the highest standard of living anywhere in the world because of capitalism. Why do dems want to allow the current administration to tinker with a system that worked up until the dems started messing up the financial system with their subprime lending fiasco?
I've not been convinced that you have any correct answers here. Sorry, but I still believe in our basic system of government as the best in the world. Liberty is best.
Before you all accuse me of having it both ways, I do believe in our system of government as being the best, but, at the same time, I feel that we are losing our system because of corruption in high places. The laundry list of broken laws by our legislators is truly appalling. I'm not saying that we don't have problems. As long as we have dishonest politicians, we will have problems. When we figure out a way to take the money and prestige out of politics, then maybe we can have the real representative republic that the Founding Fathers intended. I hope I live to see it.
linda; the SHRUB lied to congress. fortunately for his part he left himself many loop holes. his justice dept. was as corrupt as they come. lawyers were hired to condone and protect his crimes. and yes those were crimes against the [constitution] that you wear on your sleeve. he lied about torture, he condoned torture. they knew all along there were no wmd in iraq. they cherry picked, cooked up, and yes, they even tortured people to get false testimony. and you dare say they committed no crimes. --sometimes the hardest thing to see is what is right in front of your face.---how much do you want to bet that W and cheney are not talking. upu say W is a good man, of faith and kindness. he wore his xtiandom on his sleeve to get elected in 2000. he waged an illegal attack on 2 not 1 countries. he started his [crusade] in the middle east, and central asia. the SHRUB is a millenialist. he believes in the rapture. the dead horse that you speak of, is the jackass that has to be held accountable. wanna bet he does not take too many trips over-seas? i would be more than happy to pay his air fare to The Netherlands. I am sure Den Haag would like to have a few words with him.
Linda, I've known some conservatives in my time that were fine people, but they are not the ones who are currently running the Republican party. Alan Grayson spelled out the Republican Health Care Plan perfectly. Can we all agree that 9/11 was a tragedy? Every year the equivalent of 15 9/11s happen, because people can't get health care. More die, because Big Insurance denies their valid claims. The Republican Plan is to delay, deny, and resist reform. They know that a successful Obama Presidency will relegate them to the political backwater for a generation or more. They don't seem to care what lies they have to tell or how many people they have to harm to prevent that.
Sue, do you think we could get Grayson to move to Montana. There's a DINOcrat Senator there that needs to be replaced.
The SHRUB went into Iraq to rid that part of the world of muslims, he was sent there by God. He is a part of Gods army. Now if you don't think that is sickly outrageous then I don't know what else to say, EXCEPT, I am off topic!
BTW, RZ, would you call that ethnic cleansing as in Hitler?
Tom, no way, I want Grayson in NJ!!
ya know no matter how we explain it to Linda, she believes her party is the sane party and we are the evil liars. Its a brick wall that will never come down.
I say keep him in Florida, it's a borderline state and they need the clarity, even though TomCat brings up a good point.
Sue; Back then they called it [ lebensraum] imo; 9/11 was the krystal nacht for the NEOCONS. It was the beginning of the energy wars in earnest. ----------This whole debate, is not a rethug, or demp thing. it is an american thing. the debate has changed back to wall st. health care belongs on main st. not wall st. the naysayers to health care are the same ilk that say the banksters are too big too fail. I then ask this of them. --Is humanity too big to fail?
38 comments! There’s nothing left to say. Escept a friend in Florida emailed me Grayson’s remarks at a gathering of Florida Democrats. He said if Obama said he likes BLTs, the Republicans would try to outlaw bacon.
Trying to present Linda with facts is like trying to eat water with chopsticks – it can only be done in zero gravity.
Dum dee dum dum, driftwood! Just something I say when there’s nothing left to say.
BJ
Linda I love your passion and "common sense"
She is so right on and it's just a shame hat we are being duped by all those out to make a killing from this bill. From the Unions to the malpractice attorneys right back to the ones who they have in their back pockets the democrats.
Single payer will be an economic disaster for a country already in an economic disaster but that's exactly what the democrats want because they need us to need them to keep themselves in power.
They make themselves sound so caring when they actually only give a crap about their own power.
I can't believe a bunch of educated people can't see that or are just too ignorant to admit it.
As for me I don't want to learn the hard way like every other socialist "Utopia" has.
I don't trust the bunch of blood suckers planning this with their Union or should I say Mob Bosses.
We need jobs but you notice they have no intention of really stimulating that part of it. The only ones getting stimulated are the ones who will be getting their pockets lined. After all how can
Pelosi maintain her 20 million dollar vineyard?
Elitists every last one of them. The only "change" we have now are the money changers only with adoloscent idealogies and lack of economics.
lisa are you reading from the Book of Coulter again???
Why watch Fox News when you can get all the poop on the “Lisa and Linda Show” nightly right here! These two gals never get off-script.
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BJ, I think you are as delirious and tired as I am! lol
Hell, after reading those 38 comments I thought it was 4 a.m. Looked at the clock and couldn’t believe it was just 9:30 p.m. LOL.
PEBCAK!!! (Problem exists between chair and keyboard!)
BJ
I couldn't sleep last night so I was over visiting Frodo at 2:30 am!! I gotta get a sleeping pill and go to bed, talk to ya all tomorrow!
RZ ~ " 9/11 was the krystal nacht for the NEOCONS. It was the beginning of the energy wars in earnest. ----------This whole debate, is not a rethug, or demp thing. it is an american thing. the debate has changed back to wall st. health care belongs on main st. not wall st. the naysayers to health care are the same ilk that say the banksters are too big too fail. I then ask this of them. --Is humanity too big to fail?"
You make no sense at all!! You are so wrong on so many levels here. 9/11 was an act of war on the United States that killed over 3,000 innocent Americans. I can't believe that you are using this cowardly act as a political blunt instrument with which to bludgeon those with whom you disagree! That is really, really low and so despicable.
Energy wars...sigh. We have taken NO OIL from Iraq. This was not about getting a cheap source of oil. George Bush acted in defense of America and those who died. He was doing a good thing for America in trying to stop terrorism. Your sickening accusations have no merit. You have no proof, no evidence and no clue!
For your information, the Obama administration has said that these banks were "too big to fail." Who do you think took over the big banks? It wasn't GWB. It was OBAMA!! The Republicans have fought these bailouts of banks tooth and nail only to watch the Democrats bail out bank after bank, and then CONTROL them. None of the conservatives wanted these unwise, misguided bailouts to happen. Conservatives wanted these failing big businesses to go through bankruptcy in order to reorganize and come out of bankruptcy as leaner and more focused and viable businesses. THAT IS WHY WE HAVE BANKRUPTCY...TO HELP BUSINESSES TURN AROUND BAD BUSINESS PROCEDURES AND BE ABLE TO COME BACK AS STRONG INSTITUTIONS. Sheesh. Don't you know how this is supposed to work? Obama is just as involved with big business as any other President. I would even say that he is MORE involved with all the takeovers he has presided over!! If you think that America can survive without big businesses, then you have to be pretty ignorant. Obama is driving our economy to the brink of ruin (either in stupidity or by design ~ I have an opinion as to which it is.) You will see in the coming months, that those countries whose governments did not go through all these bailouts and "stimulus" hoaxes will emerge stronger and more stable while those (like the U.S. who bailed out nearly everyone and borrowed trillions of dollars trying to buy a loyal voting block) will fall deeper and deeper into failure. We will fail unless the government stops the corruption, the waste, the borrowing, the printing of money, and the lying to the people. A representative republic will only work with an ethical moral people. It won't survive the attack from within by those whose goals are holding onto power at ANY cost and who have no moral conscience to guide them to do the right thing for the sake of the American people. This whole debate is not really about health care - it is about CONTROL. Only the ignorant will stand by and watch it happen and applaud.
RZ ~ ***"the SHRUB lied to congress. fortunately for his part he left himself many loop holes. his justice dept. was as corrupt as they come. lawyers were hired to condone and protect his crimes. and yes those were crimes against the [constitution] that you wear on your sleeve. he lied about torture, he condoned torture. they knew all along there were no wmd in iraq. they cherry picked, cooked up, and yes, they even tortured people to get false testimony. and you dare say they committed no crimes. --sometimes the hardest thing to see is what is right in front of your face."***
PROVE IT!!! I challenge you to show valid proof of any of the above lies that you just repeated. You can't because none of it is accurate. Your statements are nothing more than untruths and propaganda put out by leftist Bush-haters and as such, have no merit whatsoever. If you are going to repeat the lies, then you had better research the truth and come up with some REAL factual defense of the statements you have made. You will be unable to do that because nothing you stated above is the truth.
Sue ~ GW Bush did NOT go into Iraq to rid that part of the world of Muslims! That is the most idiotic idea I have heard today! If he was trying to rid the world of Muslims, then why would his administration help set up a new government in Iraq that is made up of Muslims? Did you think about that? The new Iraqi government is Muslim. They just aren't the radical terrorist Muslims that controlled it before. George W. Bush has NEVER said that he is part of "God's army" to rid the world of Muslims. That is a lie. He is, however, a man of deep faith, and that is admirable.
linda; ROFLMFAO ! ! ! I do not know where to begin. but i do know where to end. I did not come to this site for a camp fire kumbayya. at the same time i did not come here to be attacked as you have just done. i left a much more sophisticated site for neocons, birthers, shrub lovers, and deniers. i definately do not need you to give me a lesson on economics. much less on the goings on of the SHRUB crime family. yes, i despise the SHRUB and his fellow travelers. i do not have the time not the patience to explain the last eight years of our american nite-mare to you. we are obviously worlds apart.. i will come to visit this site and comment out of respect to sue, and cdm. but i will never ever respond to you again. so, i will just title this comment ===THE END===. BTW. GO CHECK OUT MARKETWATCH.COM---IT IS A FINANCIAL SITE. owned and operated by murdoch. i paid my dues there for 9 months. go to the community =group-politics section. i went round and round with some of the best of our delusional ilk. but i was never attacked with childish comments like yours.
http://realityzone-realityzone.blogspot.com/search/label/Finance
http://realityzone-realityzone.blogspot.com/search/label/Banksters
good bye---enjoy.
Linda:
I am going to respond to your comment to RZ without reading subsequent comments. Perhaps he defends his own statements.
Yes, RZ knows what he (she?) is talking about and, yes, there is proof.
Why don’t you research before you defend George W. Bush?
Start by reading “Whose War?” by conservative Pat Buchanan in his American Conservative magazine. Do a google search, it’s there.
The neoconservatives said they needed a “new Pearl Harbor” to implement their vision of a Pax Americana, and they got it on 9/11. Two of the signers of the neoconservative “statement of principles” – Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld – urged Bush on the days following 9/11 to invade Iraq. (Google Project for a New American Centry” and view the signers of the “statement of principles.” Google “a new Pearl Harbor.”)
George W. Bush gave 17 different reasons for invading Iraq. He himelf said oil was one of the reasons – to protect the flow of oil.
Do some research instead of coming on this blog every night and blasting people who know exactly what they are talking about.
The claim that Bush invaded Iraq to keep us safe is wrong. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, had no pre-war connections to al Qaeda. We toppled a tinpot dictator who was no threat to us whatsoever. Had we instead kept our eye on the ball in Afghansitan, we might not be mired down there today.
Here’s one for you: did you know that the official FBI “most wanted” Web site on Osama bin Laden does not mention September 11? A spokesman for the FBI said there is “no hard evidence” that bin Laden was involved in 9/11 and that’s why it’s not listed as one of his crimes.
I certainly am not a “9/11 truther.” I believe bin Laden was involved. Saddam and Iraq were not.
Finally, George W. Bush was an inept puppet of the neoconservatives which Dick Cheney very deftly talked him into placing in very high positions in his administration. He was the worst president this country has ever had and, hopefully, ever will have.
Don’t come back at me with “you don’t know what you’re talking about.” Oh, my dear, I do.
BJ
Well, RZ, I have moved on to Linda’s next comment to you. The thing is everything you have written here is truth. She expects us to furnish “proof,” when it is she who failed to keep up with what went on in the Bush administration. Let’s put the burden of proof on her. Linda, prove we are wrong. BJ
Linda:
On Tuesday, 30 August 2005, George W. Bush appeared at the Naval Air Station North Island to commemorate the 60th anniversary of V-J Day. The speech that day was so blatantly Bush. He had the cojones to compare the end of WWII with a victory in Iraq. He compared 9/11 to Pearl Harbor, then implied Iraq was to blame for that attack. He warned against the perils of an al Qaeda presence in Iraq, while failing to mention that there was NO al Qaeda presence in Iraq before the U.S. invasion.
But, in recounting this event for you, specifically, this is the first time Bush cited Iraq’s oil fields as a reason for fighting in Iraq.
“If (Abu Musab al-) Zarqawi and bin Laden gain control of Iraq, they would create a new training ground for future terrorist attacks; they'd seize oil fields to fund their ambitions; they could recruit more terrorists by claiming an historic victory over the United States and our coalition.”
SOURCE: WHITEHOUSE.GOV ARCHIVES
P.S. to Sue: This is like the game of gossip in elementary school - a long way from your post on Alan Grayson! Sorry. BJ
And here I thought it was just me who felt a certain way. I'm gettin' misty just reading everything.
Nicely done, Reality Zone and B.J. You put in a great deal of effort and information. I can't speak for Sue, but I'm sure she's elated by your input.
I've tried talking to those 2, only to find myself coming damn close to beating my head against the keyboard, just ask Sue, our conversations go on for quite a while on this. You guys are really paying your dues despite the fact that there was never a balance.
I can just bet you guys are in the same boat as me for addressing brick walls and howler monkeys. My hat(if I had one) is off to you Reality Zone and B.J.
they do keep it real don't they C??!
BJ; you might be familiar with this site. if not it has a great archive [search].
http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/beta/profile/Project_for_the_New_American_Century/
BJ; This is an article i posted two days ago. i think you will find it quite interesting.
http://realityzone-realityzone.blogspot.com/search/label/OBL
Thanks, RZ! I'll check it out.
I suspect my own computer files are a fairly good archive of the last 10 years. Window XP has Google to search your own files and CDs - amazing!
BJ
I guess she had no comeback against what I said, so she ignored me.
you did say it perfectly Tom!
TomCat ~ It's great that you have known some nice republicans over the years. I'm happy for you. Hey, I know some nice democrats, too. Now that that is out of the way, WHAT does that have to do with the health care debate?? You say that the "nice" republicans are not in charge of the party right now...I'm assuming that you personally know the conservatives who are trying to run the republican party right now, since you say they aren't "nice." I don't make similar claims about the democrat party, because I don't know any of them personally. I only know that I certainly disagree with about 95% of what they are doing to the American people right now. I, for instance, do not like the fact that democrats want to shove a health care plan that more than 50% of Americans DON'T WANT down our collective throats. I don't like the fact that democrats promised transparency (such a promised contrast to the nasty republicans who never tell anyone anything--never reveal what they do behind closed doors--never reveal what laws they are going to pass until the vote--never consult with the other party about legislation under consideration...hmmmm....WAIT A MINUTE...that sounds more like the Democrats!!!!!
TC, wake up!! Why do you suppose that Obama's plan will not go into effect until 4 years from now? If 45,000 people are dying every year because they can't get health care (a number which you cannot possibly KNOW is accurate...just another democrat playbook tool...LIE about numbers because no one knows anyway...and WHO bothers to check it out...hee hee!!), then WHY would Obama put off for 4 years his plan to save those poor suffering people. That's 180,000 people who will die while waiting for Obama to save them. I'll tell you why the wait -he wants to get re-elected. All the huge cost and sub-par care won't kick in until he is in his second term (God help all Americans) and he won't have to worry about being tossed out for his lies. By then he will be focused on his World Obama agenda anyway and the troubles of Americans will be old hat and second fiddle to the greater good of the ENTIRE WORLD!!
Your argument is weak, Tom, weak. Conservatives won't have to worry about too much once the public sees that the economy will be still declining and not improving. They will be sick of hearing Obama's same old tired flowery speeches with no improvement to show for the promises he makes, ad nauseum. People are not stupid. They see through the lies about borrowing trillions not ruining our economy. They understand that the government cannot possibly pay for health care for everyone and still claim it to be "deficit neutral." They know that no government can keep printing money, borrowing trillions from Communists, giving stimulus payouts to millions of people, and overtaking huge blocks of public businesses without destroying the very people they CLAIM that they are trying to "help." Obama will be remembered in history as the first black President, but also as the President who presided over the bankrupting of America.
(Aside to Annette: forgive me, I try, I really do try!)
Linda:
First point: I am a nice Democrat. I belong to the Democratic Party.
Second point: I am a Democrat. I belong to the DEMOCRATIC Party! That you follow the silly right-wing talking point to refer to it as the Democrat Party speaks volumes about your ability to think for yourself. We don’t call your party the Republic Party, do we?
It amuses me that everything you charge the Democrats with is exactly what GWB put this nation through for eight years.
Girlfriend, I feel sorry for any woman who got f**ked and didn’t even know it.
See how nice I am,, feeling sorry for you!
BJ
P.S. This comment thread is like “an everlasting gobstopper.”
BJ ~ Out of everything discussed THIS is what irritates you? Way to dig deep!!
I call it the Democrat Party, BJ, because to me it is in NO WAY democratic. If I were to apply my preferred descriptive, it would be socialistic.
Oh, and, BJ, If you want to call it the Republic Party, it would be perfectly legitimate, because we are all for preserving our wonderful republic.
Your little argument falls kinda' flat, doesn't it?
Linda,
Poll after poll has shown that MORE THAN 50% of the people support a public option.
The 45,000 people dying per year due to lack of health insurance comes from a study published a couple of weeks ago and no one is disputing it.
Linda I really pity you and your horrible negative attitude. Nobody here can say anything to convince you you are dead wrong on EVERYTHING you say.
Sue ~ Well, I'm truly sorry for being so difficult. I really wish I could just roll over and accept everything you all say as Gospel. But, you know, one thing keeps getting in the way of my blindly accepting everything that you all say so sweetly...my BRAIN!!
I guess I should just call it a day and go my merry way. I seem to cause so much ill will here. I guess it would be ever so much more interesting for you all to just turn on your computers each morning and read all the high-fives and pats on the back in agreement..."yeah, repugs are insano fringers", or "those howler-monkeys and brick walls are so stupid", "great post, Sue". "Shrub was such a stupid slug." "Do you believe those Constitution loving wing nuts?!" "Those selfish Wingers even think they should get to keep their own money - the selfish hatemongers...they just want sick people to die."
If that's what you really want, then enjoy! I would be bored to tears.
Linda, what is the population of the town in which you live? What is the population mix by race, religion, gender, and age? What is the median number of years of formal education?
Frodo asks simply because he cannot believe that anyone was borne with such a distorted and uninformed view of life in America. There must have been some sort of environmental disaster which destroyed expected levels of brain cellular development.
Linda, who was Robert Reid?
Don't tell Frodo that the Incomparable Moron George W. Bush prevented further attacks on America. Robert Reid got his flaming, exploding shoe past all the new and improved terror prevention devices of the most incompetent Administration in any western nation since the dawn of the Industrial Age. Had it not been for a bunch of passengers and stewardesses, we'd have an even greater number added to the carnage brought upon us on the Bush watch (or lack thereof).
Note also that there have been no such attacks since Bush left office.
Frodo I'm sorry to have to tell you this in front of all blogland, but I truely love you...
Linda of course I welcome your side of the isle, so to speak, but if you go to political conservative blogs you will see so much more hate and partisan remarks coming from very hateful people. They truely HATE liberals and Obama. I don't hate you at all, in fact you make my blog very interesting and not the least bit boring! :-)))
Mr. Frodo ~ The daddy on "Brady Bunch" was the shoe bomber???? Well, I'll be cornswaggled! All us'ns here in Hicks Holler don't know nuthin' 'bout that there bein' true. We did hear sumpin' 'bout a feller name of RICHARD Reid who dun put a bomb in his shoe. Ain't he up in the big house now??
All them there questions you wuz a askin' me, Mr. Frodo, kinda hurt my feelins cuz it wuz kinda like you think that us folks out here in the sticks don't know nuthin' 'bout all that stuff goin on in Warshington DC. We got them newfangled boxes a called tellevishions, and some o' them talkin boxes that plays music and we hear some o' them there talkin' shows. I can read me a little bit, too, so I read a newspaper oncet in a while. Shucks, we pertneer git all the nooze here in Hicks Holler an we kin tell wen city folks is a makin fun of us. That jest ain't neighberly, Mr. Frodo.
now that ain't nice Linda, please apologize to our friend Frodo. WE ALL make name mistakes, you know who he meant!
I like cheese.
Linda,
I'm glad to see that you have a sense of humor.
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