Hundreds of thousands will be at this rally. Are any of you planning the trip to DC?
This is the part of America I am proud to stand with, these are the true blue Americans! Glenn Beck eat your heart out!
“We are not a loud minority looking backward,” Ben Jealous, NAACP president and CEO said. “We're a strong, multiracial majority looking forward. And we need to harness our majority and make our narrative of hope and unity a renewed battle cry for change.”
United for Peace and Justice has this on their website...
On October 7th Iraq Veterans Against the War will unveil their first strategic campaign, Operation Recovery: Stop the Deployment of Traumatized Troops.
They are counting on all of us to support them in waging and winning this campaign. Winning this campaign is a big step toward stopping war and occupation in their tracks. Begin by signing the pledge, and sharing the campaign widely.
Liberals are doing great things around the country, it's time they get recognized! Teabaggerdom is so "yesterdays news"!
“We are not a loud minority looking backward,” Ben Jealous, NAACP president and CEO said. “We're a strong, multiracial majority looking forward. And we need to harness our majority and make our narrative of hope and unity a renewed battle cry for change.”
United for Peace and Justice has this on their website...
On October 7th Iraq Veterans Against the War will unveil their first strategic campaign, Operation Recovery: Stop the Deployment of Traumatized Troops.
They are counting on all of us to support them in waging and winning this campaign. Winning this campaign is a big step toward stopping war and occupation in their tracks. Begin by signing the pledge, and sharing the campaign widely.
Liberals are doing great things around the country, it's time they get recognized! Teabaggerdom is so "yesterdays news"!
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Sue: I'd give my eye teeth to be there but since I'm living on that socialistic Social Security, I can't afford it. But thank God, I'm not on the street where I would be if I hadn't put my money into it all those years. Years ago I would have thumbed my way there.
I'm excited about this and hope a multitude of people attend. After two years of Palin, O'Donnell and all the other ignorant Tea Baggers and Republicans this will be an inspirational moment and a needed shot in the arm.
I hope you're going. Southern Beale (on my roll) is going, I think and I'm sure there will be lots more. If you go, have a good time and stay safe.
Leslie I can't go, my sister is getting married that day! Damn her! LOL
I can't wait to see the coverage, 500,000 people strong, I can see it now! Liberals know how to rally...
You left out...
Committee of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism
Chicago Democratic Socialists of America
New York City Democratic Socialists of America
International Socialist Organization
Detroit Democratic Socialists of America
Democratic Socialists of America
Look like Obama really is rallying his base! You stand with the socialists and the communists!
Ha ha ha!
Apparently no one's paying any attention to Lisa's blog, so she has to come here to yours, Sue, for attention.
So sad.
Also. SF is still needs to be wanted. Poor little guy.
LOL!
SF you are a typical wingnut fearmonger...
Lawrence O'Donnell, respected host in a new MSNBC show, said it pretty well and I totally agree with him...
He refers to himself as a practical European socialist, which he says, we all are.
"If you know that Social Security is a socialist program, and that Medicare is a socialist program and that all economies of the world are mixed with some capitalism and some socialism and they just vary in their degrees".
"If the republicans were honest they would call themselves socialist too. Newt Gingrich preserved the socialist state. He never once introduced a bill to repeal Medicare".
What's wrong with socialism? And don't dare say it leads to communism!
Shaw, lisas blog is pretty much a dud. She can't stay home long enough to work on it. Maybe SF should do some guest posts for her!
Yep. I'll be perfectly candid, for a change! : ) It was a nice reprieve not having Lisa on your blog. We could discuss the ISSUES civilly and it was both enjoyable and interesting. Trolls who's only goal is to disrupt and divert attention away from the subject at hand don't belong in polite society. Even though he may have a real blog, I put SF in this same category.
There are other progressive blogs where conservatives comment. While I rarely agree with them, their arguments are well reasoned as opposed to being snippy one liners and stupid echos of people like Beck. They contribute rather than destruct. They are mature and document their points with more authoritative sources than videos. They would be welcome at my blog - but not Lisa, Linda or SF.
she is still showing up every day, and I am staying on top of the delete button! It has been nice, I ageee. The other day when I let a comment stand so I could respond always turns out to be a mistake. She can't just leave one comment and leave it at that.
the president is speaking at a sold out event for young democrats in DC tonight. I have been so happy to see Pres. Obama in campaign mode. He is fired up and that gets us fired up!
Sue, have you used the comment spam function? It's so much easier than deleting or moderating.
please click on the logos and read about the terrific work these organizations are doing for Americans. It puts the wingnuts to shame!
yes I do Leslie. it's great!
These organizations put the wing-nuts to shame because they only do things that put more money in their pockets and the hell with the welfare of the people.
So true Leslie!
What's wrong with Socialism? As Margaret Thatcher so brilliantly pointed out, eventually you will run out of other people's money.
It stifles personal initiative, removes sovereign choices from the individual and wrongly place them with central planning committees and bureaucrats who have no idea what each individual needs and has no business trying to find out.
Imagine a world where you could start a business out of your house without jumping through a thousand fiery bureaucratic hoops. Imagine a world where currency holds its value because government can't manipulate its own currency.
That would be a world where most of us could shift for ourselves and take care of our families and one another without looking to a ruling oligarchy for special favors.
as for ODonnel, he is historically ignorant. Socialism's roots go back to the early 1800's. It hallmarks were opposition to established order, and hostility to private property, economic competition, and capitalism (a phrase coined by socialists). They were utopians with overly-simplistic "solutions" that completely ignored human nature and man's behavior in the market place across the span of the ages.
I admire you Sue for being sincere. Your honesty is what makes this blog good. You eschew the duplicitous sophistry that your liberal confreres luxuriously indulge in.
You stood up for socialism, and you are a brave soul for it!
If by sticking up for 75 good years of Social Security, and a future that looks good for Social Security(whether the right thinks so or not), then I guess I am a socialist. If I think our country can do right by her citizens and give us Social Security, Medicare and a public option for our healthcare(which will come next hopefully) then I guess I'm a socialist. Oh well...
Sue, I was seriously paying you a complement. You are passionate about what you believe in and you don't try to hide behind clever phrases.
Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are not socialism, per se. One could argue that they are socialistic ideas, but protecting the commonweal does not in itself make us socialists, as ODonnell claims.
These programs stem from a noble ideal to not allow anyone to starve to death or die from lack of medical care.
I did not call you a socialist, you called yourself one. My only point was to make everyone aware of all the socialist and communist organizations sponsoring this event.
SF I know. It's not the first time and I do appreciate it. A conservative complimenting a liberal blog and blogger is rare, and I thank you for that.
OK then I would say I'm a social democrat? It's becoming a bit skewed for me, have you ever Googled socialism?? There are degrees of socialism. I do believe in government intervention when it comes to social issues. There will always be Americans who need assistance from government for reasons other than laziness, drug use, like lisa likes to claim.
OH well, the rally is coming on!
Yeah, Sue. There are degrees of everything. Labels are an imperfect shorthand at best.
Enjoy the rally!
Capitalism is an imperfect system under which some people are able to take more than they are fairly entitled to. CEOs "earn" paychecks which are thousands of times more than the average worker? NO! They TAKE paychecks which are larger than they have earned.
Capitalism leads to monopoly which leads to oligarchy. We NEED a certain amount of socialism as a counterbalance. Without that counterbalance Capitalism will destroy itself and our country.
Republican free market idiocy is what caused the Great Depression, and it's what caused the housing bubble and financial collapse of 2008.
President Obama is trying to put things together, but I'm worried his half measures won't be enough.
Interesting theories, dervish.
They "take" their paychecks? Like a robber holding up a brinks truck?
You gotta explain that one. I thought the board of directors or the company owners paid them...
How do you define "larger than they earn?"
You belong in Venezuela on the vanguard of the revolution, which by the way, displaced the ruling oligarchy with a ruling bolivarchy.
Now it's the crony socialists driving hummers, living in the good apartments and stealing from the rest of society.
SF explain to us liberals why there should be a limit, a poverty level limit, that right wingers want to impose on the minimum wage earners while a CEO can earn millions upon millions sitting on their ass all day?
Why do wingnuts hate hardworking poor people? They want to stifle the earnings of the working poor and the middle class!
Because CEOs are getting paid to do a job. They negotiate a salary. Free people to free people.
As for a minimum wage: Imagine we set it at say, $25 dollars an hour. How many businesses are going to hire a highschooler at that rate?
How many business owners will simply pack up and move elsewhere?
France has this problem now. It is almost impossible to fire someone, so unemployment is high because business owners don't want to take a chance on getting stuck with a dud worker.
Also in-depth studies about wage and class stagnation (yes, I agree with you on that subject), show that over 80% of the workforce improves itself over the lot of their parents, and almost no one is stuck at minimum wage. At least 80% of us climb the wage ladder.
Employers must compete for workers, and paying people peanuts is not the way to attract good people.
If you want to hear someone much smarter and than me explain it,
Go Here
I doubt you will agree with it, but this is the argument against raising the minimum wage.
It's a rigged system Silverfiddle. Those making the high salaries "negotiate" with others who benefit from the rigging. Since there is only so much money to go around, they jack up their salaries at the expense of the workers. I call it theft.
It's why productivity has been going up while wages have been going down.
Your Cato article arguing against the minimum wage is class warfare BS. Have you never heard of the iron law of wages? The theory explains why the black death which killed 30 to 40 percent of Europe's population between 1348 and 1350 lead to the Renaissance in the 14 to 17th centuries. The demand for labor exceeded the supply of labor.
As Thom Hartmann explains in his article "There's Nothing Normal About A Middle Class", what the Cons desire is "a small but fabulously wealthy ownership class, and a large but poor working class".
It's why they fund "think tanks" like Cato to come up with a rational to sell their debunked lies. Cons want to eliminate the minimum wage and kill unions in order to drive down wages for all workers.
If you want to hear someone isn't promoting oligarchy explain it, go here:
"Growing class inequality and stagnant wages are by design not accident, say six UC Berkeley sociologists in a combined analysis".
well done w. Thanks!
Yes, I've heard of this Iron Law of Wages. It is textbook deterministic Marxist "theory," that hasn't proven to be so "iron" after all.
Simply put, if there are too many workers and not enough jobs, wages will not rise as high as when the opposite is true.
The right answer is to have a truly open economy where the rich don't get special favors, but the government referees everything equally.
Knock down the barriers to entrepreneurship that block people from starting their own business. It's actually easier for the average poor person to make money in Latin America than it is here, chiefly because the entry cost to entrepreneurship is so low there.
We also need to stop the importation and exploitation of cheap labor that is undercutting the working class. That too is holding down wages.
If there are too many workers and not enough jobs wages won't rise at all -- they'll go down.
If there is an oversupply of something the price will go down. If the commodity is in short supply the price will go up. Whether the item be goods or workers. That's just simple economics, not Marxism.
I agree that we need stop the importation and exploitation of cheap labor that is undercutting the working class. We also need to stop rewarding companies that ship jobs overseas, and slap import tariffs on their goods when they import items manufactured in cheap labor countries.
I'm guessing that last part would contradict your desire for a "truly open economy", however. I don't know why someone would be AGAINST importing labor but FOR exporting it. Maybe because those people who's labor we import... quite a few of them have brown skin.
I'm not sure what "barriers to entrepreneurship that block people from starting their own business" you're referring to. Perhaps you can fill me in.
Supply and demand is a distinct concept and separate concept from the iron law of wages.
I am against tariffs because others will just retaliate with some of their own.
A special case is China. I actually agree with Krugman that we need to do something on that front. They are unfairly manipulating their currency, and we shouldn't just stand by and watch it happen.
The regulatory and bureaucratic paperwork and fees for a new business is overwhelming. Big business actually likes this bureaucracy because it scares off competition.
I have friends here in town who make breakfast burritos, and another makes tamales. There is no legal way they can do this above board unless they rent out a commercial kitchen. They don't have the money for that so they just take their chances and do it illegally.
It's the same with a firewood business, car cleaning, housecleaning, landscaping...
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