Thursday, November 11, 2010

Something is terribly wrong in Washington!

In a move away from President Obama’s deadline of July 2011 for the start of an American drawdown from Afghanistan, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, all cited 2014 this week as the key date for handing over the defense of Afghanistan to the Afghans themselves. Implicit in their message, delivered at a security and diplomatic conference in Australia, was that the United States would be fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan for at least four more years.

I'm not surprised, are you??

The White House signaled Wednesday that President Barack Obama is ready to cut a deal on the Bush-era tax cuts – accepting a temporary extension of the cuts for the wealthiest Americans to win renewal of tax breaks for middle-class taxpayers.
Such a deal would run counter to one of Obama’s longest-standing and most often-repeated promises from the 2008 campaign – that he would end the tax cuts for wealthier individuals.

The Obama administration must want to know how that will sit with its liberal base -- that could explain why David Axelrod's interview is on the front page of the Huffington Post this morning and not, say, the Washington Post.
You could look at a compromise from President Obama as pragmatic negotiating -- give a little now in order to get a lot of what you want later. Seen in its very best light, the proposal from Democratic Senators Kent Conrad and Evan Bayh can look like that; we'll give you the tax cuts now and you let us overhaul the entire tax code later.
You could also see the compromise as pure caving -- whatever happened to the idea of calling the GOP's bluff, of giving them a whiteboard and a marker and asking them to start finding the $700 billion they'll need to cover the tax cuts for America's wealthiest citizens?

President Barack Obama will agree to Republican demands that Bush-era tax policies benefiting high- income Americans be extended, his top adviser said in an interview with the Huffington Post.
David Axelrod, the adviser, said that will be the only way to ensure lower tax rates for middle-income Americans also are continued. Unless Congress acts, the tax cuts enacted in 2001 and 2003 expire on Dec. 31.

BULLSHIT!!


I don't know about you President Obama supporters, BUT for me, right now, I feel like vomiting. How much more do we need to cave to?? How much more disappointment can we handle as Obama supporters? The Dems and the president ARE CAVING! They claim they have to because they don't have the votes, I find that disgusting. Are they wording it right? Are they telling Americans the republicans WON'T agree to extending the tax cuts to the middleclass UNLESS the dems cave to their fuckin demands to extend the cuts to the wealthiest Americans? If so then WE ARE NOT ON BOARD!! I think most of us would even agree to let ALL the cuts expire just so the rich fatcats DON'T get to keep their current tax rate! What happened to the deficit reduction talks?? Those hypocrite thugs don't give a damn about the deficit! All this talk about spending cuts, they ONLY want cuts for entitlements that will affect the middleclass and poor. REPUBLICANS HATE AMERICANS, they hate anyone who lives a life dependent on the government for a less then poverty lifestyle! Let the thugs stand up on the Senate floor and tell us they do not care about cuts for SS and Medicare as long as we can borrow 700 billion for their rich friends.
Cornelius Hurley

Cornelius Hurley Boston University law professor :

Obama caving on the high income tax cut issue guarantees that he will attract an intra-party opponent from the progressive wing of the Democratic party. A challenge by a credible candidate, say Howard Dean or Russ Feingold, would ensure his defeat (if nominated) in ’12, see, Kennedy v. Carter in 1980.

I AGREE!!!! I'm really starting to believe Barack Obama wants to be a one term president. How else do you explain such obvious disregard for what the American people are asking of him? Mr. President you ARE NOT LISTENING TO US AT ALL! 


I stole this from fivethirtyeight..

The table below compiles a number of statistics related to prospective G.O.P. candidates in 2012. Moving from left to right, we have their current chance of winning the nomination according to the political futures market Intrade; the candidate’s current “power ranking” according to the National Journal’s Hotline, their average standing in five recent polls of prospective Republican primary voters (I don’t use the recent Zogby Interactive poll — we don’t consider Zogby’s online polls to be scientific), and favorability ratings among Republican adults according to the recent A.P.-G.f.K. survey.


as mad as I get with this president and present Congress, just look at these clowns in the running for 2012. They make Obama look like the best president in our nations history, BAR NONE!!

23 comments:

Shaw Kenawe said...

A Howard Dean or a Russ Feingold will NEVER by elected by the American people.

I see this extension of the Bush tax cuts as a negotiation with the GOP (who are now in charge of the House and have ruined the super majority for the Dems in the Senate, BTW) to keep the tax cuts for the middle class and to NOT touch the health care reform.

This sort of horse-trading has gone on forever in our political history, the difference here is that people are instantly informed and instantly enraged at every move an administration makes.

Remember, GWB did bupkis for his extreme rightwing. No overturning Roe v. Wade, no Marriage Admendment to the Constitution making marriage between a man and a woman the law of the land, no restoring prayer in school. Bupkis.

Presidents have to govern from the middle, yet the other side see Obama as the most radically LEFT president in recent memory.

I'm sorry to hear this news, but I'm not surprised or enraged.

Sue said...

Shaw I do get emotional and need to vent, but damn, these 2 issues ending the Afghan war and ending tax cuts to the wealthy are something important to liberals who do support the president. I am increasingly frustrated and disillusioned and I hate feeling like that. There are some things that should not be compromised and these are 2 of them. I realize the horse trading has always gone on but this tax cut extension is not helping the screams for deficit reduction, and as for the war, how many have to die to prop up a corrupt government. There can be NO explanation for the continuing war, it not a winnable war.

Those things Bush could not do for his base can not compare to the things we are asking of Obama. These things are causing death and a looming catastrophe for our nation. Hardly on the level of gay marriage and school prayer. We need our president to stop caving to the thugs, I can't stand it.

Jerry Critter said...

Agreeing to the tax cuts for the rich so that the poor and middle class get theirs is not a negotiation. It is extortion. A negotiation is allowing 95+ of people to get a tax cut when the alternatives are either 0% get them or 100% get them. A negotiation ends up between the two extremes, not at one of the extremes.

Sue said...

I agree Jerry. It's INFURIATING and CAVING to the THUGS..

Why can't dems stand by their convictions?

Jerry Critter said...

Maybe they are...

Sue said...

so we have to face it, there is no difference between the 2 parties?

Jerry Critter said...

No, I still think there is a difference, but it may not be as great as they would like us to think. The conservative side of the Democratic party is in control. They are the ones funded by corporations and they are the ones who pull the strings. Right now, Obama is catering to them more than the progressive side.

A conservative Democrat use to be called a mainstream republican. Hell, Ronald Reagan would now be a conservative Democrat.

TomCat said...

I'm on a fixed income. I need that tax cut, because everything else is going up. But I would rather go without than see Obama cave on this issue.

Leslie Parsley said...

Ditto TC.

There is a link to a Bold Progress petition on my site. I urge people to sign and share.

Sue, as I've said, this is so damn discouraging and infuriating. I felt deflated after the election. Now I'm pissed.

Infidel753 said...

For all those who refused to vote, or voted third-party, on the grounds that the Democrats hadn't done enough or hadn't moved left enough, this is a predictable result of their abstinence. Politicians pander to people who bother to vote. If the far left, the youth, etc., didn't vote, then whatever message they thought they were sending, the message they were actually sending is that they can be safely ignored. If teabaggers turn out in droves to vote, then teabaggers will be pandered to. That's the way it works. That's reality.

Sue said...

Infidel that is scary, you are saying democrats are pandering to the teabaggers? It sure seems like they are. When do the democrats start acting like democrats? And if the republicans really don't care about our debt then they need to stop pandering to the teabaggers and admit they are liars!

Sue said...

I would rather go without too TC. I say let ALL the tax cuts expire and live like we did with Clinton, we did just fine back then! This government is pandering to the rich! We are never gonna have a president who does any different, sadly. I guess we better face facts. We as a nation are fucked, I pity the babies and am scared for what kind of country they will grow up in!

Sue said...

pissed is where I was last week Leslie, this week I am FURIOUS!!

Frodo, talkin' with the Big Guy, said...

After examining the list herein, Frodo turned to God, and he asked God to respond to each of the "terrific twenty" as to their comparative merits in his eyes. Frodo was not surprised to hear God say, twenty times in succession, "Who?"

Jolly Roger said...

I didn't live so bad back in the Clinton era. They can raise mine, as long as the rates go up for the rich. The budget will get a whole lot closer to balanced, which isn't bad for the economic climate.

nonnie9999 said...

dems still have control of congress. why not put up a bill for middle class tax cuts and a separate one for the richest of americans? force the rethugs and the blue dogs to vote against the middle class cut. the votes against the cut for the richest will be celebrated by the unwashed masses across party lines, except for the billionaires and the moronic teabaggers who are too stupid to think for themselves. it's really that easy.

Sue said...

hey nonnie, thanks for being my number 60, I have a weird thing about needing even numbers and the 59 was making me crazy! LOL

You are exactly right about putting the tax cuts in 2 categories to vote on, but that is way too easy and will never happen. Washington is about drama, they need the parties in constant feud mode, I think they thrive on it. The people have spoken, they want the tax cuts for the rich to expire. The thugs are ignoring the will of the people, my oh my what will happen next?!

Sue said...

Frodo the amazing 20 is a lameass list fer sher. How pathetic, even God is embarrassed for the thug party....

JR, It's the right thing to do I believe, let all cuts expire, then the dems can come back in 2 years and propose permanent tax cuts for the middleclass, the people will be ready for it and dare the thugs to vote NO. Which of course they would. They hate American working class people.

nonnie9999 said...

woohoo!! i like even numbers, so #60 is fine with me. i tried to add followers to the raisin, and even though i keep following the directions, it refuses to show up.

Infidel753 said...

When do the democrats start acting like democrats?

When the people who want them to act like Democrats start voting again instead of "sending messages".

Sue said...

nonnie I'm not sure if this is right, but are you blogging with wordpress and not blogger? That could be why the blogger gadget isn't working. Or do you have other gadgets show up while followers list refuses?

Sue said...

true so true Infidel. I never understood this message vote stupidity. Like there is a person standing there acknowledging the throw away votes and saying "Yee Ha, way to go!!"

Malcolm said...

Although I don't like the idea that Obama will cave on the tax cuts, I think Shaw may be on to something as to why there may be an extension.

The field of candidates on the GOP side will likely be a blessing for Obama. The better that Sarah Palin performs throughout the primaries (assuming she runs), the likelihood increases that the GOP will be fractured in two. I'm not shedding any tears over that prospect.